Ladder reset time???

insolence9 said:
DeusX, can you name a game that's better with half as many players?
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Ask me again in November. You know, when Diablo 3... er, I mean, Hellgate... comes out.

The # of players is irrelevant. The fact that D2 is a great game is irrelevant. My disgust is directed at the company which publishes and maintains said game: Blizzard. They're the ones that pushed the D2 team out the door. They're the ones that allowed dupes and neglect to malign Battle.net for years. And they're the ones now that are barely paying attention to the tens of thousands of paying customers who continue to play D2. A gesture as simple as letting us know what time the server will reset... is that so difficult?

As stated earlier, I am not surprised in the least. Actually, I need to make a post about this at some point... not sure if this is the best thread or time for this discussion. New ladder is like the new year and it is a fresh start... and whatever complaints I may have, it's still better than nothing.


 
That's just the same as a doctor who breaks the news of a terminal disease to a patient, telling him that he has approximately 3 years to live, give or take a year or two. In Blizzard's case, I find it hard to believe an approximate time could not have been given, especially when they would have had 5 whole days to work towards meeting that time.
 
krischan said:
In fact, I would do it the same way as Blizzard. I think it's unfair to have so huge expectation towards Blizzard regarding such an old game. They don't owe us a thing. Therefore, if you feel insulted, it's not not Blizzard's problem, but yours. :tongue:
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I agree. Still, they shouldn't make an announcement about giving information about the time of the reset followed by nothing at all at the day of the reset. It's just bad manners, and all it does is annoy people who got a promise that wasn't handed in.


 
Dont wanna cause bad feelings here, but maybe they haven't specified a time to prevent their servers being rushed at that moment, or to make sure they give themselves a timeframe to complete the ladder reset (without people complaining why it hasnt happened yet). Just saying, it might be internal policy to do it this way... Dont play WoW so dont know how things are handled in other blizz games.

That said, this being their 3th ladder reset, they should know what they're doing by now, so I was hoping I'd KNOW when I can play again too without checking bnet forum every half hour or so...
 
Ouallada said:
But if anyone were in the know, it would be Blizzard. To be honest, to simply map out a designated time to press the button or whatever it is that resets the ladder is not something that needs to be an exact science. They could plan it for noon (their time), and still be able to execute. I don't see why they couldnt have provided an approximate time at least.
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When companies have a BBQ day, lunch is always later than they said it would.
I mean come on has nobody cooked before?

There's a bit more to the reset than just pushing a button.
But I do think they should not have said they would post more info.



 
buttershug said:
When companies have a BBQ day, lunch is always later than they said it would.
I mean come on has nobody cooked before?

There's a bit more to the reset than just pushing a button.
But I do think they should not have said they would post more info.
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The same with weddings, isn't it? The point is that it is a tradition of sorts for such occasions to be tardy, whereas Blizzard makes absolutely no sense in not posting any timeframes. What they have done is to make the majority of d2 players jittery, and wastes the time of these players, who have to constantly check ingame for the reset. What good comes out of that? To be more egalitarian, we waste dollars in lost productivity when people who are at work surf forums to find out exact reset times. This isn't really the same as a casual occasion, but one in which a company acts in the best interests of its consumers, something which blatantly has not happened here.

It is possible that Blizzard has had technical difficulties, but my thinking is that they should only announce a reset if they are ready to do one. If they are ready to do one, then approximating the timeframe should be a given. Regardless, 5 days is plenty of time for them to work towards a scheduled time for a reset.



 
krischan said:
In fact, I would do it the same way as Blizzard. I think it's unfair to have so huge expectation towards Blizzard regarding such an old game. They don't owe us a thing. Therefore, if you feel insulted, it's not not Blizzard's problem, but yours. :tongue:
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You're right, it is my problem. And? :cool: But as to the rest of it, see below...

krischan said:
First, this is a 6-7 years old game, you cannot seriously demand improvements for it, for free. If they do it, fine. If they don't, it's not that bad as well. Regarding patches, I expect them to fix serious loopholes, as long as they keep up bnet, but nothing more. Second, if they said the ladder will reset in let's say 4 weeks, I'm sure a lot of people would complain about it, demanding a quicker reset. Third, the reset probably isn't just the pressing of a button or executing an SQL statement like "update chars set ladder=0 where ladder=1". Diablo is a naturally grown game and the original developer crew has left. There's probably nobody who knows the game good enough to understand all of it. Therefore it would be a high risk to announce a specific reset time and if there is a delay, a lot of people will be upset about it. There are enough fanatics who might have taken a few days of vacation or ditch school/university/work for it.
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This is where we disagree: I have every right to demand improvements. If I buy a car with a 10-year warranty, or a lifetime one, I have the right to expect the company to deliver upon that promise. I paid for this game. The fact that it's "old" or that the online service is "free" does not change this in any respect. We are all (well, most of us) customers of Blizzard. If Diablo2 came out today, yes, they'd charge us for the servers just like they do with WoW -- but at the time, a decision was made that B.net would be free. That doesn't mean "free and neglected after it's no longer profitable".

You are absolutely right about the original developer team and the fact that no one left probably understands a damn thing about the game... that's part of my problem. There's a lot more going on here though than simple economics, and I'll explain...

Peter Jackson once said, on the LOTR extended DVDs, that he "hated magic". And he really emphasized the word hate. He went on a rant about how he can't stand wizards who fight with fireballs, etc etc, and wanted Gandalf to be practical, etc etc. This is extremely important to understand, because this attitude is shared by an overwhelming number of what marketers refer to as "gentle medievalists".

To show you where I'm going, it is believed that the core of World of Warcraft players are members of that demographic.

So, look at it this way. It's 2002, and Diablo 2 is still going strong. It's still technically your #2 franchise behind Warcraft (but ahead of Starcraft at the time). World of Warcraft is in the first stages of development. And then you get a marketing report which basically states that the people who play Warcraft... the educated, gentler types who make a higher income and are more willing to spend $$$ a month on gameplay... are very uncomfortable and intolerant around the demographics of Diablo 2. The demons. The immaturity of those players who duel. The "unwielded" imaginations of those who love fantasy but don't need much realism with it. The idea that a bit of a Holy War might break out over it.

Yes, that marketing report does exist; I've read it. I don't work for Blizzard so I can't tell you whether this factored into their decisions; all I know is that part of the D2 team left and made Guild Wars... and the rest left soon after and began work on Hellgate. I'd have left too if my company was going to bust my franchise down.

Anyway, as you can see, I have a bit of personal zeal invested in this and I'm just pissed about it. I don't like being part of a minority. I don't like the fact that some Hobbit-loving (expletive deleted)ers are getting the royal treatment simply because some marketers determined that they were better customers than you and me. And I detest the fact that D2's "brand of fantasy" is looked down upon, and that this has now extended into the neglect of the game I love.

And you're right, there's nothing I can do about it except to *****. But I am who I am and I love what I love and I like being angry about this, because one day, maybe I'll get angry enough to do something about it. :)


 
It's not reschedlued to the 27th. The person got fooled by annother player or something like that.

That's what i've been hearing atleast.
 
DeusX said:
You're right, it is my problem. And? :cool: But as to the rest of it, see below...



This is where we disagree: I have every right to demand improvements. If I buy a car with a 10-year warranty, or a lifetime one, I have the right to expect the company to deliver upon that promise. I paid for this game. The fact that it's "old" or that the online service is "free" does not change this in any respect. We are all (well, most of us) customers of Blizzard. If Diablo2 came out today, yes, they'd charge us for the servers just like they do with WoW -- but at the time, a decision was made that B.net would be free. That doesn't mean "free and neglected after it's no longer profitable".

You are absolutely right about the original developer team and the fact that no one left probably understands a damn thing about the game... that's part of my problem. There's a lot more going on here though than simple economics, and I'll explain...

Peter Jackson once said, on the LOTR extended DVDs, that he "hated magic". And he really emphasized the word hate. He went on a rant about how he can't stand wizards who fight with fireballs, etc etc, and wanted Gandalf to be practical, etc etc. This is extremely important to understand, because this attitude is shared by an overwhelming number of what marketers refer to as "gentle medievalists".

To show you where I'm going, it is believed that the core of World of Warcraft players are members of that demographic.

So, look at it this way. It's 2002, and Diablo 2 is still going strong. It's still technically your #2 franchise behind Warcraft (but ahead of Starcraft at the time). World of Warcraft is in the first stages of development. And then you get a marketing report which basically states that the people who play Warcraft... the educated, gentler types who make a higher income and are more willing to spend $$$ a month on gameplay... are very uncomfortable and intolerant around the demographics of Diablo 2. The demons. The immaturity of those players who duel. The "unwielded" imaginations of those who love fantasy but don't need much realism with it. The idea that a bit of a Holy War might break out over it.

Yes, that marketing report does exist; I've read it. I don't work for Blizzard so I can't tell you whether this factored into their decisions; all I know is that part of the D2 team left and made Guild Wars... and the rest left soon after and began work on Hellgate. I'd have left too if my company was going to bust my franchise down.

Anyway, as you can see, I have a bit of personal zeal invested in this and I'm just pissed about it. I don't like being part of a minority. I don't like the fact that some Hobbit-loving (expletive deleted)ers are getting the royal treatment simply because some marketers determined that they were better customers than you and me. And I detest the fact that D2's "brand of fantasy" is looked down upon, and that this has now extended into the neglect of the game I love.

And you're right, there's nothing I can do about it except to *****. But I am who I am and I love what I love and I like being angry about this, because one day, maybe I'll get angry enough to do something about it. :)
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= major brai(pois0n dagger) n fart....



 
I don't think anyone but Blizzard'll know until the servers go down and the process begins. To paraphrase another game company, "It'll be done when it's done".
 
Hah! Don't be surprised if reset date is postoned due to difficulties or some other reason, so no reason to get too excited about exact time.
When it happens, we will all be on eventually doing the same boring stuff, lol..
Anyone want to BAAL?
 
Rezefty said:
It's not reschedlued to the 27th. The person got fooled by annother player or something like that.

That's what i've been hearing atleast.
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I know but AFAIK all the servers are done at the same time.
Blizz is on the NA west coast and won't start until noon.
It will be a few hours short of the 27th on the other side of the international date line.



 
Everyone go to bed. This isn't happening until Monday morning, West Coast time, when everyone's there to monitor it.
 
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